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As Reece recovers and reexamines life with Kristin, Emma longs for him and soon meets her own tragic fate. During review, some issues were discovered that can be resolved without a major re-write. This is how the article, as of May 15, , compares against the six good article criteria:. Please address these matters soon and then leave a note here showing how they have been resolved.
After 48 hours the article should be reviewed again. If these issues are not addressed within 7 days, the article may be failed without further notice. Thank you for your work so far. I have just been accused of vandalism by Vox Humana because I disagree with him over two of the section titles.
Specifically whether Middle Ages and Reformation Vox is adamant that they should, and I believe that they should not, as per the manual of style here. Rather than continue with this silly toing-and-froing, I'm hoping that we can come to a consensus here on what the correct section headings ought to be. I visited the Abbey this week, and found that the windows on the opposite side of the organ had references to some of the erstwhile British colonies.
Canada, South Africa and India, among others. Would someone know when this was done? I know the coat of arms in the South Africa pane wasn't used till , so it has to be a recent addition. As these individuals do not have articles about them and they may not meet the notability requirements would anyone object if I remove them from the article as not being significant enough for inclusion?
I feel if we have a list of organists and assistant organists, we should at least have a list of abbots etc.. There is a list here. Note that first there are abbesses for the convant, then abbots for the monastry, and then priors for the priory, and then rectors for the abbey. Not sure what section title we should give this, their "Leaders of the Abbey Communities" seems a bit vague. Also not sure where in the article it should go.
I've made a start on an architecture section as has been previously requested see above. Please add to it or edit as you see fit. I know the lead still needs to be expanded and I'm happy to tackle that, but is there anything else people feel is needed before this article will be ready for another GA nomination? I notice the article has been put up for GA review. I must point out that the image captions do not comply per the criteria. It's just that I've been this in a GA review I had last year.
Hope this little bit helps. That is, the 10th century. No it hadn't, though it had declined duriung the Viking period. We only capitalize proper nouns like names, and the beginnings of sentences. The image in the infobox has two people posing for the shot. I know its very difficult to get a daylight picture without people and obviously a lot of visitors to the abbey will submit their snaps to this site. I would like to replace the infobox image for one without people.
I had a look through the category and found nothing contemporary that didn't have people in. However there is a nice circa print that is available from the US Library of Congress and because of the quality of the image I'm going to directly display it here for you to view:. Due to this being an article about an abbey and with the contemplative quality of the image above I think that it would be a good idea to bring the two together.
This is an encyclopedia and holiday photos should be avoided if possible. Also there are plenty of contemporary images already in the article. I'll swap the image out now and if you object or find a better image then feel free to revert my edit. I've added it to the category and here's a link to it:. Just in case anyone is interested. The Sheridan article also needs a bit of work but alas its not my field of interest on this site. The comment s below were originally left at Talk: Following several discussions in past years , these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.
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Edit this page Talk: Bath Abbey has been listed as one of the Art and architecture good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it. WikiProject Somerset Somerset articles Somerset portal. Here are some tasks awaiting attention: Unassessed Catholicism articles ; Category: Unknown-importance Catholicism articles Cleanup: Blessed Virgin Mary see the talk page Copyedit: Wikipedia requested photographs of Catholicism Stubs: Stub-Class Catholicism articles ; Category: Catholic Church stubs Verify: John Aloysius Maguire , Chiro for peer review; invitation template needed, see Category: Thanks for finding that, the impression I got from the website seemed to have a strong liturgical sense, which isn't always associated with evangelicalism.
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Matthew Butler And by the way, I would refer you to the following articles: Matthew Butler I have now added, as a second source to back the "evangelical" label up, a link to an article on the website of Fulcrum, an Anglican evangelical organisation, by its theological secretary listing Bath Abbey under the heading "open evangelical".
Services such as choral Eucharist, choral Evensong and choral Matins are all in the old tradition dating back to the days of the Reformation: The generally accepted nature of evangelical churchmanship is, as I say, completely unritualistic. No confession, no blessing, etc. I do have experience of a number of so-called Evangelical Anglican churches. Furthermore, I find your comments about Catholicism highly offensive: I thought such anti-Catholicism had disappeared in the 19th Century. Please remember that the Catholic Church was here a lot further back than your incompetent, disorganised bunch of heretics, and, with the number of Catholics worldwide continuing to grow and the Anglican church breaking into ever-smaller sub-sections, each with declining congregation numbers, it looks as though the Catholic Church will still be a reality of life long after Anglicanism has been consigned to the history books.
Please have a read of WP: Anyway, I shall put in a request for page protection if you revert again to using irrelevant and self-contradictory references to back up your doubtful claim. As regards using a made-up username, why not? I am allowed to. Some people do so to stay anonymous sometimes with very good reason: H dropped his anonymity and the next thing had death threats made against him and his family by someone who was able to trace his home: I fall into the latter category.
I'm perfectly happy to accept Matthew's references. Your edits seem to be WP: OR if we're going to start throwing alphabet soup around.
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It would appear to me that Matthew was not attacking Roman Catholicism at all, possibly some aspects of Anglo-Catholicism. I see nothing inherently contradictory in either of the references. There are degrees of Evangelicism, the references refer to Bath Abbey, as Open Evangelical, which is fairly moderate and liberal in fact. As pointed out above, I reverted Matthew's original unsourced change, largely on grounds similar to the ones you are sticking to.
However, in light of the references I have happily changed my position. Bath is essentially unique its position as a former cathedral, and maintains its choral tradition on that scale. It is perfectly possible to mix evangelical preaching and so on with more formal liturgy. However, despite all CofE cathedrals maintaining choral services and so on and having the Eucharist as a principle Sunday service, there are differences in churchmanship between them. Coventry also has some evangelical leanings, Birmingham's pretty low too in my experience and I normally sing in half-a-dozen or so different cathedrals each year.
The only reall way to settle this would be to obtain the parish profile, which is used when new clergy are sought, but bath and Wells doesn't seem to make these as widely available as some other Diocese do. However, it is far from clear here as to where the Abbey stands with perhaps more evangelical outreach work and preaching, but a somewhat more High Church approach to the liturgies themselves: Furthermore, I do not rely on hearsay: I have relied on my own experience.
I remain unconvinced that, in the modern use of the term, 'evangelical' is the correct description for Bath Abbey: I suggested above the use of the term 'Broad Church', but if the current regime at Bath places greater importance on Matins than on the Eucharist and please don't use that term for the once-a-month commemorative communal meal kind of thing: Eucharist refers to the presence of Christ in the Sacraments , then I would suggest that Low church would be more appropriate: I would also argue, given the Abbey's conservative musical tradition, it is more appropriate than Evangelical.
I accept that I was wrong.
Do you think it might be possible for you to take some photos of the Abbey organ? Incidentally, according to the often unreliable info that Wikipedia has put on one of your images, it says you took them with a Nikon Coolpix - is this so? Since there is nothing within the article dealing with the current worship and administration within the church, some might argue that the current infobox is superfluous. The lead section should be longer, and provide a summary of the article's contents. CITE , which suggests that anything likely to be challenged should be cited.
Moreover, verifiabiility is required to demonstrate that the article contains no original research. Statements such as "Oliver King There are many more. Many of the sections throughout are quite short. If they cannot be expanded, then perhaps merging into another section might be appropriate. The distinction between "history" and "architecture" sections is not clear: Consider the social as well as architectural history: How did it operate as an abbey?
Did the rule remain the same? What influence did it have on local affairs? Where did it draw it monks and clergy from? Did it own lands and farms? Did it have lay brothers?
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What about the other buildings within the complex? Cloisters and chapter rooms? Monks dormitories and refrectories? Do they still exist? Are they likely to be created? Note that there is more about the organ than the building. Is this an appropriate ratio, representing importance, or is this undue weight? The rest of the music section is disproportionately brief: If there is no more to say, then merge it with the other short music sections.
Comment from non-involved editor: Red links are how we get new articles. They should not be discouraged. They certainly should not be a reason to deny GA status. I was not suggesting GA status was affected by the presence of red links. But so many red links in a short space merely flagged possible issues: Also, are they red because the link is broken: Could Werkprinzip be helpfully linked elsewhere eg the explanation at pipe organ until article is written?
Links are generally present to aid the reader; can these red links be made more useful? Those are the sorts of questions I wanted to raise. The answer might be "They're all valid", in which case, fine. But it's always worth asking the questions. You can already have a link to the rest in commons. This is how the article, as of May 15, , compares against the six good article criteria: Some copyediting would be good; once expanded I'm willing to do that myself 2. A little more citation of some paras, as Gwinva suggests 3.
A lot more expansion of the history section, please. It is outweighed by the organ section. Neutral point of view?: Enough I strongly second the comments above. Other editors have also kindly copy edited the article.
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I don't have information on the social aspects, monks, money etc or Cloisters and chapter rooms, Monks dormitories and refrectories but believe these would have gone in the redevelopment - but I don't have sources to back this up. Can anyone else help to meet these concerns? I think it's a pity there is not a separate Architecture section, although I can see why it was merged with History. Would it be possible to include the history of the architecture within the History section and then have a separate section on the architecture as it is today, with much more detail?
This seems to work OK for Chester Cathedral I know this article is being re-edited to a degree at present but that does not detract from my basic argument. Also I would recommend the use of Template: Infobox religious building which gives much more info about the architecture and history, while still allowing some info on the religious side. Good luck with the work being done: I definately do not think it is vandalism.
I think, though, whatever MOS says, "Middle Ages" is meaningless and "Reformation" is an improper noun and a very general term, whereas I thought "The Middle Ages" referred specifically to the period of , but this seems untrue apparently the Middle Ages began around the 5th Century and so I have changed the title to "From the Norman Conquest to the Dissolution" - is that OK with everyone?
If not, feel free to change it to something similar but differently worded Please don't get me wrong, I think this debate is important and I agree that we need to establish some sort of consensus Otherwise, do not include it at the beginning of the page name. David Underdown talk Proper nouns refer to specific instances of things, like "John Smith" as opposed to "person". The test is, in "running text" would you write " Vox may write "The Reformation" but does anyone else?
I write "the Reformation" and "the Middle Ages" and I guess the majority of editors do likewise. If so, that is the consensus and the end of the argument. The link above doesn't work for me, but I did look at the google cached page.